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日常办公中级15:04office distractions

Why work doesn't happen at work

为什么工作反而不在办公室发生

Basecamp 联合创始人杰森·弗里德的经典演讲。人们真正干活的地方是家里、车上、飞机上或深夜清晨,几乎没人说「办公室」——办公室把整块工作日切成碎片,罪魁祸首是他称作 M&M 的经理与会议(Managers & Meetings)。他给出禁言半天、改用异步沟通、取消会议三条建议,适合学远程办公与会议管理表达。

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台词(128 句)

00:04
So I'm going to talk about work; specifically, why people can't seem to get work done at work, which is a problem we all kind of have.

我想聊聊工作,具体说,是聊聊为什么人们在办公室好像总是干不完活儿——这是我们多少都有的问题。

00:12
But let's sort of start at the beginning. So, we have companies and non-profits and charities and all these groups that have employees or volunteers of some sort.

先从头说起。我们有公司、非营利机构、慈善组织,所有这些团体都有员工,或者某种形式的志愿者。

00:23
And they expect these people who work for them to do great work -- I would hope, at least.

他们期待这些为自己工作的人做出出色的成果——至少我希望是这样。

00:30
At least good work, hopefully, at least it's good work -- hopefully great work. And so what they typically do is they decide that all these people need to come together in one place to do that work.

至少是像样的成果,但愿如此,最好是出色的成果。于是他们通常的做法是:决定让所有这些人聚到同一个地方来干活。

00:40
So a company, or a charity, or an organization of any kind, unless you're working in Africa, if you're really lucky to do that -- most people have to go to an office every day.

所以不管是公司、慈善机构还是任何组织——除非你在非洲工作,那你算是运气好——大多数人每天都得去办公室。

00:49
And so these companies, they build offices. They go out and they buy a building, or they rent a building, or they lease some space, and they fill this space with stuff.

于是这些公司盖起了办公楼。他们出去买下一栋楼,或者租一栋楼、租下一片场地,然后把这片空间塞满各种东西。

01:01
They fill it with tables, or desks, chairs, computer equipment, software, Internet access, maybe a fridge, maybe a few other things,

摆上桌子、办公桌、椅子、电脑设备、软件、网络,也许还有一台冰箱,也许还有别的一些东西,

01:11
and they expect their employees, or their volunteers, to come to that location every day to do great work.

然后期待员工或志愿者每天来到这个地方,做出出色的成果。

01:19
It seems like it's perfectly reasonable to ask that. However, if you actually talk to people and even question yourself, and you ask yourself, where do you really want to go when you really need to get something done?

这个要求听上去完全合情合理。可是,如果你真的去问问别人,甚至问问你自己:当你真的需要把一件事做完时,你最想去哪儿?

01:30
You'll find out that people don't say what businesses think they would say. If you ask people the question: Where do you need to go when you need to get something done?

你会发现,人们的回答和企业以为的完全不一样。如果你问别人这个问题:需要把事情做完的时候,你得去哪儿?

01:38
Typically, you get three different kinds of answers. One is kind of a place or a location or a room.

通常你会得到三类回答。一类是某个地方、某个位置或者某个房间。

01:44
Another one is a moving object, and a third is a time. So here are some examples.

另一类是某个移动的物体,第三类则是某个时间段。我举几个例子。

01:49
I've been asking people this question for about 10 years: "Where do you go when you really need to get something done?"

这个问题我已经问了大概十年:「当你真的需要把事情做完时,你会去哪儿?」

01:56
I'll hear things like, the porch, the deck, the kitchen. I'll hear things like an extra room in the house, the basement, the coffee shop, the library.

我听到的答案有:门廊、露台、厨房;也有家里多出来的一间屋子、地下室、咖啡馆、图书馆。

02:07
And then you'll hear things like the train, a plane, a car -- so, the commute.

接着你会听到火车、飞机、汽车——也就是通勤路上。

02:13
And then you'll hear people say, "Well, it doesn't really matter where I am, as long as it's early in the morning or late at night or on the weekends."

然后还会有人说:「其实我在哪儿都无所谓,只要是清晨、深夜或者周末就行。」

02:20
You almost never hear someone say, "The office." But businesses are spending all this money on this place called the office, and they're making people go to it all the time, yet people don't do work in the office.

你几乎从来听不到有人说「办公室」。可企业却把大把的钱砸在这个叫办公室的地方,还逼着大家天天去,而人们偏偏不在办公室里干活。

02:31
What is that about? (Laughter) Why is that? Why is that happening?

这到底是怎么回事?(笑声)为什么会这样?为什么会发生这种事?

02:37
And what you find out is, if you dig a little bit deeper, you find out that people -- this is what happens: People go to work,

如果你再往深里挖一挖,你会发现——事情就是这样的:人们去上班,

02:44
and they're basically trading in their work day for a series of "work moments" -- that's what happens at the office.

而他们其实是拿一整个工作日,换来了一连串「工作碎片」——这就是办公室里发生的事。

02:51
You don't have a work day anymore. You have work moments.

你不再拥有完整的工作日,你只有一个个工作碎片。

02:54
It's like the front door of the office is like a Cuisinart, and you walk in and your day is shredded to bits, because you have 15 minutes here,

办公室的大门就像一台食品加工机,你一走进去,你的一天就被切成了碎屑:因为你这边有十五分钟,

03:01
30 minutes there, and something else happens, you're pulled off your work, then you have 20 minutes, then it's lunch, then you have something else to do ...

那边有三十分钟,然后又出了点别的事,你被从手上的活儿里拽走;接着又有二十分钟,然后到了午饭时间,然后又有别的事要做……

03:08
Then you've got 15 minutes, and someone pulls you aside and asks you a question, and before you know it, it's 5 p.m., and you look back on the day, and you realize that you didn't get anything done.

然后你有了十五分钟,又有人把你拉到一边问问题;等你回过神来,已经下午五点了。你回头看这一天,才发现自己什么都没做成。

03:19
We've all been through this. We probably went through it yesterday or the day before, or the day before that.

我们都经历过这种事,很可能昨天就经历过,或者前天、大前天。

03:24
You look back on your day, and you're like, "I got nothing done today. I was at work. I sat at my desk. I used my expensive computer.

你回顾这一天,心想:「我今天什么都没干成。我明明在上班,坐在自己的办公桌前,用着那台昂贵的电脑,

03:32
I used the software they told me to use. I went to these meetings I was asked to go to.

用着他们让我用的软件,参加了他们要我参加的那些会,

03:37
I did these conference calls. I did all this stuff. But I didn't actually do anything.

开了那些电话会议,做了这么一堆事。可我其实什么都没做成。

03:42
I just did tasks. I didn't actually get meaningful work done."

我只是处理了一堆杂事,并没有真正完成有意义的工作。」

03:46
And what you find is that, especially with creative people -- designers, programmers, writers, engineers,

你会发现,尤其是对创造性工作者来说——设计师、程序员、作家、工程师、

03:54
thinkers -- that people really need long stretches of uninterrupted time to get something done.

思考者——他们真的需要长段的、不被打断的时间,才能把事情做出来。

04:00
You cannot ask somebody to be creative in 15 minutes and really think about a problem.

你没法要求一个人在十五分钟里既有创意、又能把一个问题真正想透。

04:05
You might have a quick idea, but to be in deep thought about a problem and really consider a problem carefully, you need long stretches of uninterrupted time.

你也许能冒出个灵光一闪的点子,但要对一个问题深入思考、仔细推敲,你需要长段不被打断的时间。

04:14
And even though the work day is typically eight hours, how many people here have ever had eight hours to themselves at the office?

尽管标准工作日是八小时,在座有多少人曾经在办公室里拥有过完整属于自己的八小时?

04:20
How about seven hours? Six? Five? Four?

七小时呢?六小时?五小时?四小时?

04:24
When's the last time you had three hours to yourself at the office? Two hours? One, maybe?

你上一次在办公室里拥有独处的三小时是什么时候?两小时呢?也许一小时?

04:30
Very, very few people actually have long stretches of uninterrupted time at an office.

真正能在办公室里拥有长段不受打扰时间的人,少之又少。

04:34
And this is why people choose to do work at home, or they might go to the office, but they might go to the office really early in the day, or late at night when no one's around,

这就是为什么人们选择在家干活;或者他们也去办公室,但会一大早就去,或者在深夜没人的时候去,

04:43
or they stick around after everyone's left, or go in on the weekends, or they get work done on the plane, in the car or in the train, because there are no distractions.

或者等所有人都走了还留下来,或者周末去加班,又或者在飞机上、车里、火车上把活干完,因为那里没有干扰。

04:52
Now there are different kinds of distractions, but not the really bad distractions, which I'll talk about in a minute.

干扰也分很多种,但那些地方没有真正糟糕的那一类——这个我马上就会讲到。

04:58
And this whole phenomenon of having short bursts of time to get things done reminds me of another thing that doesn't work when you're interrupted, and that is sleep.

这种只能靠零碎时间片段来完成工作的现象,让我想到另一件被打断就不管用的事,那就是睡眠。

05:08
I think that sleep and work are very closely related -- not because you can work while you're sleeping and sleep while you're working.

我认为睡眠和工作关系极其密切——并不是说你能一边睡觉一边工作、一边工作一边睡觉。

05:15
That's not really what I mean. I'm talking specifically about the fact that sleep and work are phase-based, or stage-based, events.

我不是那个意思。我要说的是:睡眠和工作都是分阶段、分时相推进的过程。

05:24
Sleep is about sleep phases, or stages -- some people call them different things.

睡眠讲的是睡眠时相,或者叫睡眠阶段——不同的人叫法不一样。

05:30
There are five of them, and in order to get to the really deep ones, the meaningful ones, you have to go through the early ones.

一共有五个阶段,而要进入真正深层、真正有意义的那几个,你必须先走完前面的几个。

05:37
If you're interrupted while you're going through the early ones -- if someone bumps you in bed, or there's a sound, or whatever happens -- you don't just pick up where you left off.

如果你在前几个阶段被打断——有人在床上碰到你,有个声响,或者别的什么事——你没法从中断的地方接着来。

05:46
If you're interrupted and woken up, you have to start again. So you have to go back a few phases and start again.

一旦被打断惊醒,你就得重新开始,得倒回前面几个阶段从头再来。

05:53
And what ends up happening -- you might have days like this where you wake up at eight or seven in the morning, or whenever you get up, and you're like, "I didn't sleep very well.

最后的结果就是——你可能有过这样的日子:早上八点或者七点醒来,或者不管你几点起床,你都会想:「我昨晚没睡好。

06:02
I did the sleep thing -- I went to bed, I laid down, but I didn't really sleep."

该做的我都做了——上床、躺下,可我并没有真正睡着。」

06:07
People say you go "to" sleep, but you don't go to sleep, you go towards sleep; it takes a while.

人们说「入」睡,可你并不是一下子就入睡,而是朝着睡眠慢慢靠近,这需要一段时间。

06:12
You've got to go through phases and stuff, and if you're interrupted, you don't sleep well.

你得一个阶段一个阶段地走完,一旦被打断,你就睡不好。

06:16
So does anyone here expect someone to sleep well if they're interrupted all night? I don't think anyone would say yes.

那么在座有谁会指望一个整夜被打断的人能睡得好?我想没人会说会。

06:22
Why do we expect people to work well if they're being interrupted all day at the office?

那我们凭什么指望在办公室里被打断一整天的人,还能把活干好?

06:27
How can we possibly expect people to do their job if they go to the office and are interrupted?

如果人们一到办公室就不断被打断,我们又怎么可能指望他们完成本职工作?

06:32
That doesn't really seem like it makes a lot of sense, to me. So what are the interruptions that happen at the office but not at other places?

在我看来,这实在说不通。那么,有哪些打断只发生在办公室、而不发生在别的地方呢?

06:38
Because in other places, you can have interruptions like the TV, or you could go for a walk, or there's a fridge downstairs, or you've got your own couch, or whatever you want to do.

因为在别的地方,你也会有干扰:比如电视,比如出去散个步,楼下有冰箱,还有自家的沙发,想干什么都行。

06:49
If you talk to certain managers, they'll tell you that they don't want their employees to work at home because of these distractions.

如果你去问某些经理,他们会告诉你,正是因为这些干扰,他们不想让员工在家办公。

06:56
They'll sometimes also say, "If I can't see the person, how do I know they're working?"

他们有时还会说:「我要是看不见人,怎么知道他们在干活?」

07:02
which is ridiculous, but that's one of the excuses that managers give. And I'm one of these managers. I understand. I know how this goes.

这理由很荒唐,但确实是经理们常用的借口之一。我自己也是这样的经理,我懂,我知道是怎么回事。

07:09
We all have to improve on this sort of thing. But oftentimes they'll cite distractions: "I can't let someone work at home.

我们在这方面都得改进。但他们常常拿干扰说事:「我不能让人在家办公。

07:15
They'll watch TV, or do this other thing." It turns out those aren't the things that are distracting, Because those are voluntary distractions.

他们会看电视,会去干别的。」可事实证明,真正让人分心的并不是这些,因为那些都是主动分心。

07:22
You decide when you want to be distracted by the TV, when you want to turn something on, or when you want to go downstairs or go for a walk.

是你自己决定什么时候被电视吸引,什么时候打开某样东西,什么时候下楼或者去散步。

07:29
At the office, most of the interruptions and distractions that really cause people not to get work done are involuntary.

而在办公室,真正让人干不成活的那些打断和干扰,大多是被动的、由不得你的。

07:35
So let's go through a couple of those.

我们来看几个例子。

07:38
Now, managers and bosses will often have you think that the real distractions at work are things like Facebook and Twitter and YouTube and other websites,

经理和老板常常会让你以为,工作中真正的干扰是 Facebook、Twitter、YouTube 之类的网站,

07:49
and in fact, they'll go so far as to actually ban these sites at work.

事实上,他们甚至会直接在公司里封掉这些网站。

07:54
Some of you may work at places where you can't get to certain sites. I mean, is this China? What the hell is going on here?

你们中有些人所在的地方,某些网站根本打不开。我是说,这是在中国吗?这到底是怎么回事?

08:00
You can't go to a website at work, and that's the problem? That's why people aren't getting work done, because they're on Facebook and Twitter?

上班时打不开一个网站,问题就出在这儿?人们干不完活,就是因为他们在刷 Facebook 和 Twitter?

08:06
That's kind of ridiculous. It's a total decoy. Today's Facebook and Twitter and YouTube, these things are just modern-day smoke breaks.

这有点荒唐,完全是在转移视线。今天的 Facebook、Twitter 和 YouTube,不过是现代版的抽烟休息。

08:15
No one cared about letting people take a smoke break for 15 minutes 10 years ago, so why does anyone care if someone goes to Facebook or Twitter or YouTube here and there?

十年前没人在意员工出去抽十五分钟的烟,那现在有人偶尔刷一下 Facebook、Twitter 或 YouTube,凭什么就有人计较?

08:24
Those aren't the real problems in the office. The real problems are what I like to call the M&Ms, the Managers and the Meetings.

这些都不是办公室里真正的问题。真正的问题,是我喜欢称之为 M&M 的东西:经理(Managers)和会议(Meetings)。

08:32
Those are the real problems in the modern office today. And this is why things don't get done at work, it's because of the M&Ms.

这才是今天现代办公室里真正的问题。工作之所以完不成,就是因为这两个 M。

08:40
Now what's interesting is, if you listen to all the places that people talk about doing work, like at home, in the car, on a plane, late at night, or early in the morning, you don't find managers and meetings.

有意思的是,你听人们说起自己真正干活的那些场所——家里、车上、飞机上、深夜或者清晨——里面都没有经理和会议。

08:52
You find a lot of other distractions, but not managers and meetings. So these are the things that you don't find elsewhere, but you do find at the office.

那些地方有一大堆别的干扰,唯独没有经理和会议。所以这两样东西别处见不到,只有办公室里才有。

09:00
And managers are basically people whose job it is to interrupt people. That's pretty much what managers are for. They're for interrupting people.

而经理这个岗位,本质上就是以打断别人为职责。经理差不多就是干这个的,他们就是用来打断别人的。

09:07
They don't really do the work, so they make sure everyone else is doing work, which is an interruption.

他们自己并不真正干活,所以他们要确保其他人都在干活,而这本身就是一种打断。

09:13
We have lots of managers in the world now, and a lot of people in the world, and a lot of interruptions by these managers.

如今世界上有很多经理,也有很多员工,于是就有了大量来自经理的打断。

09:19
They have to check in: "Hey, how's it going? Show me what's up." This sort of thing. They keep interrupting you at the wrong time, while you're actually trying to do something they're paying you to do, they tend to interrupt you.

他们得来「关心」一下:「嘿,进展如何?给我看看现在什么情况。」诸如此类。他们总在最不合适的时候打断你——当你正努力做他们花钱雇你做的事时,他们偏偏来打断你。

09:30
That's kind of bad. But what's even worse is the thing that managers do most of all, which is call meetings.

这已经够糟了。但更糟的,是经理们最常做的一件事:召集开会。

09:36
And meetings are just toxic, terrible, poisonous things during the day at work.

而会议,是工作日里最有毒、最糟糕、最伤人的东西。

09:43
(Laughter) We all know this to be true, and you would never see a spontaneous meeting called by employees.

(笑声)我们都知道这是真的,而你绝不会看到员工自发组织一场会议。

09:49
It doesn't work that way.

事情不是那么运作的。

09:50
The manager calls the meeting so the employees can all come together, and it's an incredibly disruptive thing to do to people -- to say, "Hey look, we're going to bring 10 people together right now and have a meeting.

是经理召集会议,把员工全都聚到一起,这对人的干扰大得惊人——等于是在说:「听着,我们现在要把十个人叫到一起开个会。

10:02
I don't care what you're doing, you've got to stop doing it, so you can have this meeting."

我不管你在做什么,你都得停下来,好来开这个会。」

10:06
I mean, what are the chances that all 10 people are ready to stop? What if they're thinking about something important, or doing important work?

我是说,这十个人恰好都能停下来的概率有多大?万一他们正在思考重要的事,或者正在做重要的工作呢?

10:13
All of a sudden you tell them they have to stop doing that to do something else. So they go into a meeting room, they get together, and they talk about stuff that doesn't really matter, usually.

你却突然告诉他们必须停下手上的事去做别的。于是他们走进会议室,聚在一起,然后通常谈的都是些无关紧要的事。

10:23
Because meetings aren't work. Meetings are places to go to talk about things you're supposed to be doing later.

因为会议本身不是工作。会议只是一个去谈论「你稍后该做什么」的场合。

10:29
But meetings also procreate. So one meeting tends to lead to another meeting, which leads to another meeting.

而且会议还会繁殖。一个会往往会引出另一个会,然后再引出下一个会。

10:35
There's often too many people in the meetings, and they're very, very expensive to the organization.

会议里往往人太多,而这对组织来说代价极其高昂。

10:40
Companies often think of a one-hour meeting as a one-hour meeting, but that's not true, unless there's only one person.

公司常常把一小时的会议就当成一小时,可事实并非如此——除非会上只有一个人。

10:45
If there are 10 people, it's a 10-hour meeting, not a one-hour meeting.

如果有十个人,那就是一场十小时的会议,而不是一小时的会议。

10:49
It's 10 hours of productivity taken from the rest of the organization to have this one-hour meeting, which probably should have been handled by two or three people talking for a few minutes.

为了开这一小时的会,你从组织其余部分抽走了十小时的生产力,而这件事本来两三个人聊几分钟就能解决。

10:58
But instead, there's a long scheduled meeting, because meetings are scheduled the way software works, which is in increments of 15 minutes, or 30 minutes, or an hour.

结果却排成了一场冗长的会议,因为会议是按软件的方式来排期的:以十五分钟、三十分钟或者一小时为单位往上加。

11:07
You don't schedule an eight-hour meeting with Outlook; you can't. You can go 15 minutes or 30 minutes or 45 minutes or an hour.

你不会用 Outlook 排一场八小时的会,也排不了。你只能选十五分钟、三十分钟、四十五分钟或者一小时。

11:13
And so we tend to fill these times up when things should go really quickly.

于是本来几句话就能说完的事,我们却总把这些时间格子填满。

11:17
So meetings and managers are two major problems in businesses today, especially at offices.

所以,会议和经理是当今企业里的两大问题,在办公室里尤其如此。

11:22
These things don't exist outside of the office. So I have some suggestions to remedy the situation.

这些东西在办公室之外并不存在。所以我有几条建议,可以用来改善这种状况。

11:30
What can managers do -- enlightened managers, hopefully -- what can they do to make the office a better place for people to work,

经理们能做什么——但愿是那些开明的经理——他们能做些什么,让办公室成为更适合大家工作的地方,

11:37
so it's not the last resort, but it's the first resort, so that people start to say, "When I really want to get stuff done, I go to the office."

让它不再是最后的选择,而是第一选择,让人们开始说:「当我真想把事情做完时,我就去办公室。」

11:45
Because the offices are well-equipped; everything is there for them to do the work.

因为办公室设备齐全,干活需要的一切都在那儿。

11:49
But they don't want to go there right now, so how do we change that? I have three suggestions to share with you.

但眼下大家并不想去,那我们该怎么改变?我有三条建议想和你们分享。

11:54
I have about three minutes, so that'll fit perfectly. We've all heard of the Casual Friday thing.

我大概还有三分钟,时间正好。我们都听说过「便装星期五」。

12:00
I don't know if people still do that. But how about "No-talk Thursdays?" (Laughter) Pick one Thursday once a month, and cut it in half, just the afternoon -- I'll make it easy for you.

我不知道现在还有没有人这么干。那么试试「禁言星期四」如何?(笑声)每月挑一个星期四,再对半砍,只取下午——我把难度降低一点。

12:12
So just the afternoon, one Thursday. First Thursday of the month, just the afternoon, nobody in the office can talk to each other.

所以只是一个星期四的下午。每月的第一个星期四,就那半天,办公室里谁都不许互相说话。

12:18
Just silence, that's it. And what you'll find is that a tremendous amount of work gets done when no one talks to each other.

只有安静,就这么简单。你会发现,当没人互相说话时,大量的工作被完成了。

12:25
This is when people actually get stuff done, is when no one's bothering them or interrupting them.

人们真正把事情做完的时刻,恰恰是没人来烦他们、打断他们的时候。

12:30
Giving someone four hours of uninterrupted time is the best gift you can give anybody at work.

给一个人四小时不被打断的时间,是你在职场上能送给任何人的最好礼物。

12:35
It's better than a computer, better than a new monitor, better than new software, or whatever people typically use.

这比一台电脑好,比一台新显示器好,比新软件好,比人们通常用的任何东西都好。

12:41
Giving them four hours of quiet time at the office is going to be incredibly valuable.

在办公室里给他们四小时的安静时间,价值大得惊人。

12:45
If you try that, I think you'll agree, and hopefully you can do it more often. So maybe it's every other week, or every week, once a week, afternoons no one can talk to each other.

如果你试一试,我想你会同意,并且但愿你能更常这么做。也许每两周一次,或者每周一次,某个下午谁都不许交谈。

12:55
That's something that you'll find will really, really work.

你会发现,这一招真的非常、非常管用。

12:58
Another thing you can try, is switching from active communication and collaboration, which is like face-to-face stuff -- tapping people on the shoulder, saying hi to them,

另一件可以尝试的事,是把主动式的沟通与协作——也就是面对面那一套:拍拍别人的肩膀、跟人打招呼、

13:08
having meetings, and replace that with more passive models of communication, using things like email and instant messaging, or collaboration products, things like that.

开会——换成更被动的沟通方式,比如用邮件、即时通讯,或者协作类产品之类的工具。

13:18
Now some people might say email is really distracting, I.M. is really distracting, and these other things are really distracting, but they're distracting at a time of your own choice and your own choosing.

有人可能会说,邮件很打扰人,即时通讯很打扰人,这些东西都很打扰人。但它们打扰你的时机,是由你自己挑、自己定的。

13:28
You can quit the email app; you can't quit your boss. You can quit I.M.; you can't hide your manager.

你可以关掉邮件软件,却关不掉你的老板;你可以退出即时通讯,却躲不开你的经理。

13:34
You can put these things away, and then you can be interrupted on your own schedule, at your own time, when you're available, when you're ready to go again.

你可以把这些东西收起来,这样你就能按自己的节奏、在自己的时间、在你有空、在你准备好重新出发时,才被打断。

13:42
Because work, like sleep, happens in phases. So you'll be going up, doing some work, and then you'll come down from that work, and then maybe it's time to check that email or I.M.

因为工作和睡眠一样,是分阶段推进的。你会慢慢进入状态、干上一阵活,然后从那个状态里退出来,这时候也许才该去看看邮件或者即时消息。

13:51
There are very, very few things that are that urgent, that need to happen, that need to be answered right this second.

真正紧急到必须马上处理、必须此刻就回复的事,少之又少。

13:56
So if you're a manager, start encouraging people to use more things like I.M. and email and other things that someone can put away and then get back to you on their own schedule.

所以如果你是经理,就开始鼓励大家多用即时通讯、邮件这类工具,以及其他可以先收起来、之后再按自己节奏回复你的东西。

14:05
And the last suggestion I have is that, if you do have a meeting coming up, if you have the power, just cancel it.

我的最后一条建议是:如果你接下来有个会,而你又有权决定,那就干脆把它取消。

14:14
Just cancel that next meeting. (Laughter) Today's Friday, usually people have meetings on Monday.

就把下一个会取消掉。(笑声)今天是星期五,人们通常在星期一开会。

14:19
Just don't have it. I don't mean move it; I mean just erase it from memory, it's gone.

那就别开了。我不是说往后挪,我是说把它从记忆里抹掉,它没了。

14:24
And you'll find out that everything will be just fine. All these discussions and decisions you thought you had to make at this one time at 9 a.m. on Monday, just forget about them, and things will be fine.

然后你会发现,一切都好好的。那些你以为必须在周一早上九点这个时间点讨论和决定的事,忘了它们吧,一切照样没问题。

14:34
People will have a more open morning, they can actually think. You'll find out all these things you thought you had to do, you don't actually have to do.

大家会有一个更宽松的上午,真的能静下来思考。你会发现,那些你以为非做不可的事,其实并不非做不可。

14:41
So those are just three quick suggestions I wanted to give you guys to think about.

以上就是我想给大家的三条简短建议,供你们思考。

14:45
I hope that some of these ideas were at least provocative enough for managers and bosses and business owners and organizers and people who are in charge of other people,

我希望这些想法至少足够有冲击力,能让经理、老板、企业主、组织者,以及所有管着别人的人,

14:53
to think about laying off a little bit, and giving people more time to get work done.

认真想一想:少插手一点,多给大家一些时间去把活干完。

14:57
I think it'll all pay off in the end. So, thanks for listening. (Applause)

我相信这最终一定会有回报。谢谢各位的聆听。(掌声)